Weird

Awww... BIG HUG! *snicker*

what's a "beatnik
'??

Is this... Supposed to be gay?

Are there beatniks in the UK? Ever heard of a beatnik cafe?

"Mudpower says:
Is this... Supposed to be gay?"
Yes, Balthamos and Baruch are actually gay. It says so in TAS, if you look carefully. Something about their love being "more than just mutual, they loved each other with a passion".

I really like it.

yes, it does say that they love eatch orher with passion, but where the fu** is the passion and love ind this pic?

*hides under table*
ewwwwwww...
why draw a pic of this u psycho??? draw like lyra or will or...or...SOMETHING ELSE!!! ANYTHING ELSE!!!!

sicko
@least u drew em w/ clothes
(another detail thankfully overlooked!!)

Who the f**k cares if they're gay? I thought people who read these books were at least somewhat open-minded... Anyway it's a nice picture.

"Who the **** cares if they're gay? I thought people who read these books were at least somewhat open-minded... Anyway it's a nice picture"

Righto, man.

ummmm...so wut if they're gay peeps, can we NOT judge people on something they can't control.....honestlyy....some people, wutevs, its a good pic, i like it.

they have clothes on few i was about to hide

Can the people who have decided not to put their names tell me what's so "disgusting" about someone being gay?

*rolls eyes* The level of maturity here is astounding. So anyway, speaking of the actual ART...I think it's lovely, looks almost like a stained glass window, or at least that style. Nice.

Baruch and Balthamos did love each other, but Balthamos told will that previously Baruch was male and he was not.

wow cool! they looks so sad..

I think it looks wonderful,and it looks like alot of people who read the book got the same impression as me,that Balthamos and Baruch were gay, and I see no problem what so ever in that fact,the pic looks really great and u should be proud!!!

Why is every one so uptight about them being gay- its in the book! And most of the people are probably ashamed of their views and don't want the artist 2 know who they are, well thats just stupid.

Aww! What a cute pic!

Very Emotional! So sad. i didn't imagine them wearing that kind of clothes and being that visible (but how can u draw mist shadows on the twilight). Wish people would be more mature up top

oh dear. YES they are GAY. read between the lines and grow up maybe? instead of *fake hiding* and saying ewwww.

it bothers me that some people can be so closed minded and prejudice that they can poke fun at someone or call them psycho or sicko for acknowledging homosexuality, like it's something weird and alien. oh dear. pathetic.

makes me want to do naked-angel-artwork or something. that's give you losers something to get indignant about.

looks AMAZING i LOVE it!!!!!

Good on you clanqueen! Too true.
Anyway, I love how you've drawn this in a sort of stained glass style, it really fits the theme.

clanqueen is exactly right

What the he// is wrong with some of u people. Baruch and Balthamus are supposed to be gay. It's part of what makes the story so strong and anti-christian. Why are you disgusted by truth?

If you are scared of truth or passion, I suggest that HDM is the wrong series for u, and u ought to go stick your nose in: Ramona or Loser.

Right on, clanqueen.
Too bad that some people are prejudiced against certain things (in this case, art) by their own fears and misconceptions.
I personally like it. It's a bit rough, but you get the message and emotion across very well.

That's right, ThresholdWalker. Well, at least some of us aren't blinded by prejudice, right?

i dont like gay drawings, we know they liked each other but dont draw a picture of it its sick

I think it really shows the love between them, which is good, because if you looked, they are gay. there is nothing wrong with that. so just get over it. you are all acting immature, and if you really do love hdm, then you should just realise that it is part of the book, and stop making fun of it.

and i agree with 'aurora travler.' you guys are being really rude, and inconsiderate. (hi, g!!)

Go orange! How's Stravaganza coming?

ok, but i just finished 'the end' so, i'll re-start it tonight. i emailed you by the way...

I think it's HAWT. Don't listen to what those homophobes say. I just adore Balthamos and Baruch. They're some of my favorite characters.

haha reading some of the comments struck me .. they are gay !! I guessed it but thought they were eachothers daemons of something XD of welllllllllllllllllllllllllllll id better read again =D

Whys is it sick? They are hugging each other not getting down and dirty!!! Even if they were, the idea of it wouldn't be in any way wrong, they are two angels who love each other with a passion. Although Baruch was once a man, but is now an angel, the asexuality of the angels could be taken as a comment on the idea that it doesn't matter whether a being is male or female as long as they love each other. Although in the book, the angels appear in man-form, further embedding the opinion that there is nothing wrong with a homosexual relationship, except the tragedies and hardships STILL endured by them in society today. These prejudices and difficulties faced are down to the general public (thats some of YOU LOT) who continue to be intolerant, close-minded and immature.

this isn't the best picture i would use to describe balthamos and baruch's relationship, but PLEASE, people, don't be so close minded.
i thought their love for eachother was cool.

dont look at mio XD im just innocent ^^

thanks, silvertongue

Creepy...

Listen, if you're homophobic, you shouldn't be reading HDM. It's too deep for stupid people who can't even handle something they don't understand.

god, you guys. you really need to grow up and stop being immature. its part of life, and you guys are just being cowards. you're makeing fun of what you're scared of. grow up a little and have some respect for other people. dissing that picture is dissing the fact that phillip pullman put gay angles in hdm, and if you want to dis hdm, you shouldnt be here. so just stop.

Why are you all so against this picture? I think it is really good. You are being anti gays! If two people of the same gender are in love why do you have have a problem with it?

Look, if you're homophobic, you shouldn't be reading HDM. It's too deep for stupid people who fear what they don't understand.

why is it creepy??? They are just hugging? Hugging is not gross.

Yeah, I agree with Aurora and orange and polka-dot. You guys are being idiots.

After seeing all your childish anti-gays comments, I am very upset. Why do you have a problem with people gay. It's sad that this is evan an issue. Also you are dissing HDM by dissing gays. If you don't like HDM then why are you here?????

Enough of the off-topicness please. Comments should be about the art and the art alone.

*agrees* i like the alone-ness of this picture, how it seems as though the two angels, sry, can't remeber the names, are alone in despair, perhapse in a dark forrest or cave. Not sure about their faces and hands, they look a little lumpy and unrealistic. the drawing describes the sadness of the scene, though so good job on that.

heather; who died and made you the boss?
this is a rather ugly drwing, but thats due to lack of talent, not the fact that the angels are gay.

Nobody died, I am the boss, did you think this place runs itself?

Right on Polka-Dot!
Look, Heather, I know it must be a stressful job running this section, but we aren't off topic. Gay-rights is a real issue in HDM, and in life. It is related to this picture, so it's okay if we talk about it.

I'd rather comments were kept to the art, and that comments were useful to the artist. It's also debatable whether the angels were gay as one was never human, but if you want to discuss this there are threads in the forum about it.

ok

I agree with the gay people. Stop being so close minded to them! And the same goes for incest like in the Flowerrs in the Attic book. Plenty of people found that book disgusting as well yet in its context, it's perfectly natural and lovely. The same goes here!

Speaking of which, does anyone else here support incest? I would really appreciate it if Mr.Pullman wrote a book with a pro-incest character!The gays get all the attention these days; it's not fair!

omg it is just a picture and they are not doing anything "gross." it's okay. also, I get the impression that Metatron threw Baruch out because he fell in love with another male angel, so there's that. if we are still contributing "proof" or whatever...

ps-I like how this art is being attacked for the gay characters and not the series itself or it's author. Good job, guys.

u creepy homaphobic basterds wots wrong with gays