The Republic of Heaven

Worlds with Names

Discuss the second book of the trilogy

Postby Riali » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:43 am

Ursae Majoris wrote:I could have sworn that someone said that that at one time you could only cut out of a world and into Citagazze and that to travel between worlds you had to travel via Cittagazze. Anyone remember this or am I nutty as peanut butter?


I'm pretty certain you need to watch out for squirrels. :wink:
The knife can cut between any two worlds. Remember Will cut into a rainy world that was not Citagazze from his Oxford when he broke the knife? And the window from the World of the Dead into the Mulefa World?
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Postby Aletheia Dolorosa » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:06 am

mm, the Knife can cut into any world, but because most of the bearers came from Ci'gazze, most of the windows were between that world and other worlds.
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Postby Annernanner » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:31 pm

The knife originated in the Cittagazze world, so all the windows technically come from there if you catch my drift....
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Postby AUST » Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:29 pm

Aletheia Dolorosa wrote:mm, the Knife can cut into any world, but because most of the bearers came from Ci'gazze, most of the windows were between that world and other worlds.

And, of course, if a bearer is in trouble he/she will run for home-and ehad towards ci'gazze
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Postby Enitharmon » Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:36 pm

AUST wrote:And, of course, if a bearer is in trouble he/she will run for home-and ehad towards ci'gazze


When they want supplies they head for the Co-op in Summertown. Where else does the Coca-Cola in the cafe fridge come from?
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Postby AUST » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:41 pm

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AUST wrote:And, of course, if a bearer is in trouble he/she will run for home-and ehad towards ci'gazze


When they want supplies they head for the Co-op in Summertown. Where else does the Coca-Cola in the cafe fridge come from?

Fair point. Thus keeping the window open.

I always found that bit a bit odd-do you reckon that they would seriously let civillians/normal people use the gateways?
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Postby Somewhat » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:49 pm

I think it was getting out of hand, the alchemists were struggling for control of the knife while the people were freely using the windows they left open. The entire city was falling into ruin.
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Postby Aletheia Dolorosa » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:04 am

moonflash wrote:I think it was getting out of hand, the alchemists were struggling for control of the knife while the people were freely using the windows they left open.


Alchemist. One alchemist/knifebearer. But your general point is correct.
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Postby AUST » Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:43 pm

moonflash wrote:I think it was getting out of hand, the alchemists were struggling for control of the knife while the people were freely using the windows they left open. The entire city was falling into ruin.

Would make sense-but surley soemone in our world would notice?
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Postby Somewhat » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:06 am

Aletheia Dolorosa wrote:
moonflash wrote:I think it was getting out of hand, the alchemists were struggling for control of the knife while the people were freely using the windows they left open.


Alchemist. One alchemist/knifebearer. But your general point is correct.

Yes, but the others were trying to get control of it from him. And other people, perhaps.
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Postby SoulLily » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:13 pm

Ursae Majoris wrote:I could have sworn that someone said that that at one time you could only cut out of a world and into Citagazze and that to travel between worlds you had to travel via Cittagazze. Anyone remember this or am I nutty as peanut butter?


It's not that you could only cut into Cittagazze, just that the bearer would almost always cut into his own world when trying to leave a world.
When Will first got the knife, he would travel only between his world and Cittagazze. Then he realized something: the particles that the knife caught on had individual qualities to them. Each one felt a little different, and each one lead to a different world.
Before that realization, Will was automatically cutting into the first world he felt with the knife. After a while he could tell which was which. Perhaps the bearers before him never figured this out, and would cut into the first world they felt.
Scratch that... If there were windows into multiple worlds, they must have been able to notice the difference.
Or perhaps one bearer would feel a different world from another, so over time there were windows to many worlds, though each individual bearer would only cut into one in particular. Or it happened that the first world they felt was different in different places.
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Postby Oliver (Kieran) Payne » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:04 pm

I'm not completely sure if this has been pointed out before in another post but the "Mulefa World" is actually called Eden, Or New Eden if you like.
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Postby Riali » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:19 pm

Oliver (Kieran) Payne wrote:I'm not completely sure if this has been pointed out before in another post but the "Mulefa World" is actually called Eden, Or New Eden if you like.


Where and by whom? It's a metaphorical Eden, certainly, but I don't recall it ever actually acquiring the title.
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Postby Oliver (Kieran) Payne » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:29 pm

I think I saw it called that in BTTS encyclopaedia and I for the sake of giving it a name I always call it that. But then again I suppose you could call it Heaven too since all good (truth-telling) souls/spirits/people go there and you could call the the Land of the Dead, Hell because thats where all bad (lying) souls/spirits/people are trapped forever.
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Postby Yrael » Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:01 pm

Surely the Mulefa world can't be called heaven because of the Tulapi (or however it's spelt) i thought that a repesntation of heaven would mean perfect peace?
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Postby SoulLily » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:54 am

owatts93darkmaterials fan wrote:Surely the Mulefa world can't be called heaven because of the Tulapi (or however it's spelt) i thought that a repesntation of heaven would mean perfect peace?


One of the largest points in HDM, unless I misconstrued it, was to eliminate a definite Heaven and Hell and free the worlds from opression, and for people to make their own Republic of Heaven where they were "because for us there is no elsewhere". I don't think any specific world was meant to be a new Heaven, because the concept in HDM is that the closest thing to Heaven has always been right around us all the time. After dying, in the HDM multiverse, you go through the Land of the Dead and, if you tell a good story, come out back in a physical world, part of the multiverse you lived in your entire physical life, showing that you really were in Heaven (or the closest there is to it) the whole time you lived. We have to make our Heaven on Earth, be good to each other and make each other happy while we're here, because when life is over we're in no more wonderful a place than one people made.
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Re: Worlds with Names

Postby Yrael » Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:20 pm

Alas, not a good story, the truth!
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Re: Worlds with Names

Postby Stelmaria7 » Fri May 15, 2009 8:43 pm

Cittagazze is the country's name- I think- and Ci'gazze is the city they are in at the time. Or am I wrong?
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Re: Worlds with Names

Postby k.anderson3454 » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:33 am

Does someone know where the word was derived from??
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Re: Worlds with Names

Postby Jaya » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:23 pm

Do you mean Cittàgazze? I think it's Italian (?) for "city of magpies", magpies being renowned for stealing little bits from here and there - as Cittàgazze does.
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