The Republic of Heaven

So for everyone who has seen the film, what did you think of the changed ending? Personally, I didn't like it at all. I thought it was a bad idea when I heard the news, but I hoped that they might be able to pull it off. But after watching the film, the ending was simply a crushing disappointment.

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I don't know.

As the intention was to move the ending to the second film, I can't really judge until/unless we see the next part. It all depends on whether they go ahead with the sequels. If they do, it's all a continuous story as far as I'm concerned. If not, then it's more likely the original ending would be restored on an extended DVD version.

furbaby wrote:I don't know.

As the intention was to move the ending to the second film, I can't really judge until/unless we see the next part. It all depends on whether they go ahead with the sequels. If they do, it's all a continuous story as far as I'm concerned. If not, then it's more likely the original ending would be restored on an extended DVD version.

It happening in the next film is not an excuse in my opinion. The Golden Compass had a distinct feeling of being unfinished, and I believe this was due to the ending being cut. But not because it was an integral part of the book, it was because originally it was intended to be in the film. Weitz shot the whole film believing that the ending would be present, and structured it accordingly. The last minute editing and cutting seeps through, leaving audiences completely bewildered at why it suddenly just ended. Now if he had shot the film from the beginning, knowing that the ending would not be present, I am quite certain things would be a different story. Sadly as it is, TGC is less than a film. Never make a film with the sole intention of setting up a sequel.
Now take a look at how Jackson did LotR; each film is a film. Each can stand strongly alone. Each has it's own story and character development, tightly written together, as well as dabbling into plots for the whole series. That's how to do it.

I really didn't like it, it made the film too short, and it just didn't feel like the film should end there.

I was outside the theatre just POed after that. It felt like the wanted a happy up-beat ending, and as I stated with my Review, if New Line wanted that kind of ending, they should not of done HDM, cause Pullman has never given that kind of ending with his books.

Let's face it, if the book ending had been like that, the majority of people would not be complaining. The problem of rescuing the kids was solved. In a film sense it worked to end it there. Although, I share the disappointment at how short the film was. They needed to beef up the body of the film, not the ending.

Roronoa Zoro wrote:Let's face it, if the book ending had been like that, the majority of people would not be complaining.

If the book ending were like that, I don't think the following books would have been read by many of us, and it wouldn't have received the acclaim that it has. The ending lifted the book from a romping good time to something much more complex, and promised even deeper things to come.

The book's ending would have lifted the film from this no man's land of mediocrity where it is floundering now; not for children, and not for adults, not exactly candy fare and not exactly meaningful stuff...But if they had to have an ending like this for the film, I think it could have been executed better, and not so obviously 'We'll save the world; me, you, Serafina Pekkala, the Tinman, the Cowardly Lion...'

Mockingbird wrote:

Roronoa Zoro wrote:Let's face it, if the book ending had been like that, the majority of people would not be complaining.

If the book ending were like that, I don't think the following books would have been read by many of us, and it wouldn't have received the acclaim that it has. The ending lifted the book from a romping good time to something much more complex, and promised even deeper things to come.

That is very true, up to a point. But the book was always more than just a romping good time, and it seems that the big problem is that everything that made it so was stripped out of the film.

Enitharmon wrote:

Mockingbird wrote:

Roronoa Zoro wrote:Let's face it, if the book ending had been like that, the majority of people would not be complaining.

If the book ending were like that, I don't think the following books would have been read by many of us, and it wouldn't have received the acclaim that it has. The ending lifted the book from a romping good time to something much more complex, and promised even deeper things to come.

That is very true, up to a point. But the book was always more than just a romping good time, and it seems that the big problem is that everything that made it so was stripped out of the film.

One thing I do like is that since the film ends in such a happy way, it will really catch the nonreader off guard (should the next film be made) when Roger is killed in the first 20 minutes of the second film by Asriel. Lyra makes everything seem so ideal when it ends on how everyone will fight alongside each other...and it just ends up being so different, shattering that whole idealistic image. I think it'll throw the audience through a loop and add an extra appreciation.

The original ending was an important cliffhanger in a series that was to be continued. The ending in this film was probabley appropriate for the "single movie" version of the story, since the other two are unlikely to be filmed...

I found the ending adequate for the purpose it served, as others have said, as a stand-alone movie ending. Did the family thing and made everyone feel all fuzzy wuzzy. And if the sequels are made, it will make for an exciting scene in the second movie. I didn't like how it ended there at all, but I understand and as long as they include the original ending in the dvd I'll be content.

Storyboard of the original ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvcZr_CHOj0





You can tell by the presentation that Weitz originally intended to take his time with the important character moments, like this one. Look how well drawn-out the scene is. The editing takes its time, letting the music swell up and everything. I don't feel that he intended to rush the film -- as he eventually ended up doing. Such a shame.

EDIT: Phit informed me that Anand Tucker's team put this scene together, and not Weitz as I first assumed.

namster wrote:Storyboard of the original ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvcZr_CHOj0





...you can tell by the presentation that Weitz originally intended to take his time with the important character moments, like this one. Look how well drawn-out the scene is. The editing takes its time, letting the music swell up and everything. I don't feel that he intended to rush the film -- as he eventually ended up doing. Such a shame.

This is why I'm praying so hard that the rumored Dirctor's Cut DVD with Weize's orrigenal virsion comes true.

Mockingbird wrote:But if they had to have an ending like this for the film, I think it could have been executed better, and not so obviously 'We'll save the world; me, you, Serafina Pekkala, the Tinman, the Cowardly Lion...'

Yeah, that's one of the things I didn't like about it. It was so bland. Lyra basically lists everything they still have to do, so you end up leaving the cinema thinking, is that it?

You can tell it was a late change as well, because the beginning still sets up all the parallel universe stuff, which turns out to be irrelevant. The audience doesn't get the pay-off they'd expect - the first act introduces parallel universes, Dust and Lord Asriel, but the conclusion which ties these things up is missing.

indeed. even crappy endings can't be executed well when they're last minute changes/ideas. has it been written into the script, i'm sure it would've actually be written like an ending.

I think they ended it so that if they did decide to not make the other films, they could just call that the conclusion to the story.

namster wrote:Storyboard of the original ending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvcZr_CHOj0

Ye Gods! That was incredible - now that is what I call an ending!
*crosses fingers* Directors cut, directors cut, directors cut...

I personally hated the ending and loved that story board thing (thank you so much whoever posted it). The book ending isn't the end, as in the end of the story, but it kind of wrapps things up. You feel cheated because it's a cliff-hanger, but at least it gives you a sense of closing, if not conclusion. The movie ending was less of a cliff-hanger, but it still left the story wide open and you got absoleltly no sense of closing. My parents (not having read the book) agreed with me. They were confused about the ending. It's just so unsatisfactory.
Plus, it's really cool visually and since it looks like The Subtle Knife is not going to be made we'll never get to see the drama and the beauty of the last part.

I'm going with alkebury: please, please, please, please put it in the director's cut.

weird, i just up with my other irl friend who is an hdm fan and he liked the ending and thought it would set up the beginning for the next film.