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Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:34 pm
by TheRealNeo
They shot it yes, but the effects are still unfinished.
From wikipedia:
To what was posted in the media, the film was cut by the studio quite a bit earlier than it may have seemed. This meant that visuals were not all completed to a sufficient and presentable standard. To finish the visual effects on Weitz version of the film may prove to be prohibitively expensive. He's going to be handing in a version of the film and a budget to the studio; but he would be surprised if they agree to fund it. And they still hold the rights to the film, so that would be the only way a version would be completed.
That also includes the ending, because Weitz still intends to add to his version when there are no sequels.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:35 am
by Northen_Lights
TheRealNeo wrote:They shot it yes, but the effects are still unfinished.
From wikipedia:
To what was posted in the media, the film was cut by the studio quite a bit earlier than it may have seemed. This meant that visuals were not all completed to a sufficient and presentable standard. To finish the visual effects on Weitz version of the film may prove to be prohibitively expensive. He's going to be handing in a version of the film and a budget to the studio; but he would be surprised if they agree to fund it. And they still hold the rights to the film, so that would be the only way a version would be completed.
That also includes the ending, because Weitz still intends to add to his version when there are no sequels.
Yeah, you know. They're nearly done.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:50 am
by TheRealNeo
How do you know?
I know that this wikipedia quote is from a very reliable /personsource.
Trust me.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:15 pm
by Northen_Lights
Well, you can see clips of most of the ending scene(s) everywhere.
Well, YouTube, anyway.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:51 pm
by TheRealNeo
That are just little, very little clips from the trailer.
Re: How New Line Can Still Make A Mint From The Subtle Knife
PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:08 pm
by daemon_light
namster wrote:keitharc wrote:6 - Make a directors cut before the next movie comes out and really flesh out the secondary characters so they seem like real human beings...
You've read my thoughts! The director's cut DVD (or, preferably, an Extended Edition, but that's a pie in the sky at this point) is the most profitable investment New Line can make this year, besides investing in The Subtle Knife. An investment in a director's cut is a direct investment in the profitability of the sequels
and then some!
Honestly... no. Look at the thread "The Future of the HDM film trilogy" for more of my thoughts on this, but I think it stands a better chance that we'll get a director's cut with the original ending if we wait until after at least the Subtle Knife is made. And if that's so, I feel it'll be worth the wait.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:19 am
by sfsraffie
TheRealNeo wrote:How do you know?
I know that this wikipedia quote is from a very reliable /personsource.
Trust me.
Er... I removed that bit from Wikipedia. If there's no reliable published source, it can't go in the article.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:46 am
by daemon_light
Yeah, that wouldn't make sense. Seeing that we saw a lot of finished (if not, nearly finished) effects shots of the sequence in the trailer, right before the announcement was made about the cut... my guess is that the scene is practically finished, and anything they touch up on it is purely small details.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:50 am
by sfsraffie
I don't know about that... the trailer shots would naturally be story-focused, i.e., what was left in the movie. And for all we know, Weitz intentionally shot more than he thought would go in the theatrical, just like Peter Jackson did. It wouldn't surprise me if money was a concern in making the Director's Cut. But until it's sourced, we can't really be certain.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:55 am
by TheRealNeo
It's fact that Weitz would need a bunch of money to finish his Director's Cut because many effects are unfinished. More Infos ---> PM
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:49 pm
by daemon_light
Sure, he'd probably need a good amount of money... which is why I hope the next two will be made. If the trilogy is completed it will be a hell of a lot more likely that extended or alternate editions of the films will be presented, because the studio will have the money and inclination to do so...
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:06 pm
by Northen_Lights
I reckon Chris Weitz/New Line Cinema's cash would be better spent making The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass than a Director's Cut.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:14 pm
by TheRealNeo
Who knows.
A Director's Cut would show many pessimistic viewers that golden compass is better as they thought and so more people would go into the sequels.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:56 pm
by Northen_Lights
The big question is:
Do they have enough money to make both ?I reckon, what with very stingy and scrooge-like executives at New Line, the answer is probably...
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:01 pm
by daemon_light
Northen_Lights wrote:I reckon, what with very stingy and scrooge-like executives at New Line, the answer is probably...
Ohhhh! You mean the ones that got fired a few months back... yeah, you're probably right.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:46 pm
by TheRealNeo
New line alone not but with Warner...maybe.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:12 pm
by daemon_light
Yeah, now that Warner Bros. is involved... I think that newfound hope for the trilogy has blossomed. It's another reason I think that the movies will be more faithful than the Golden Compass was... and all things considered, GC was actually a pretty damn faithful adaptation.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:14 pm
by TheRealNeo
I think when we get a Director's Cut we have a good faithful adaption of the golden compass.
Sequels..we have to see. Honestly for now I would be confident when they just do it. Other things I ca worry about later.
Re: Would Subtle Knife be cheaper to make and more successful?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:26 pm
by daemon_light
TheRealNeo wrote:I think when we get a Director's Cut we have a good faithful adaption of the golden compass.
Without a doubt.
TheRealNeo wrote:Sequels..we have to see. Honestly for now I would be confident when they just do it. Other things I ca worry about later.
Good outlook...