The Republic of Heaven

Will and Lyra... meet again?

Discuss the concluding book of the trilogy

Should Lyra and Will meet again?

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Re: Should Lyra and Will meet again?

Postby Mr Anderson » Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:40 pm

Diolmhain wrote:Would them meeting again not sort of make the entire point of the books obsolete?


Indeed. They should not meet again. Plenty more fish in the sea.
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Re: Should Lyra and Will meet again?

Postby SoulLily » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:10 am

I'd have to say no. Aside from dying, there's no way I can see them plausibly meeting again anyway. And the whole end of TAS would be so much less touching if they just got together again! Personally I'd be disappointed if they were to meet again. If Pullman were to write a companion in which they reunited it would only show weakness on his part, since he would just be giving in to the fans that want it to happen. It would ruin the powerful sacrifice, the beauty of the story. The story had to end the way it did in order to make sense, and toying with that end just messes things up. Even though their separation was heart-wrenching, it had to happen. Not every story has a happy ending, and that's one of my favourite things about HDM. It's real, and in real life you don't just get to walk off into the sunset and live happily ever after. So no, Lyra and Will should not be reunited.
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Re: Should Lyra and Will meet again?

Postby MojaveByrd » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:02 am

They should have planned to meet again in the LoD. They could have told their stories of their lives to the Harpies and then go into oblivion. I don't know why they didn't plan this.
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Re: Should Lyra and Will meet again?

Postby sfsraffie » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:04 am

MojaveByrd wrote:They should have planned to meet again in the LoD. They could have told their stories of their lives to the Harpies and then go into oblivion. I don't know why they didn't plan this.


Too busy snogging? 8) Who knows, by the time they're adults, they might not even be romantically compatible... maybe one of them has a snoring problem.
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Re: Should Lyra and Will meet again?

Postby MojaveByrd » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:11 am

sfsraffie wrote:maybe one of them has a snoring problem.



ROFL - but compatible or not - they would never know because they won't live their adult lives together, but they will have memories and memories are always perfect, even if reality isn't.
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Re: Should Lyra and Will meet again?

Postby Diolmhain » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:59 pm

Therefore they should never meet again
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby Yrael » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:04 pm

SoulLily wrote:I'd have to say no. Aside from dying, there's no way I can see them plausibly meeting again anyway. And the whole end of TAS would be so much less touching if they just got together again! Personally I'd be disappointed if they were to meet again. If Pullman were to write a companion in which they reunited it would only show weakness on his part, since he would just be giving in to the fans that want it to happen. It would ruin the powerful sacrifice, the beauty of the story. The story had to end the way it did in order to make sense, and toying with that end just messes things up. Even though their separation was heart-wrenching, it had to happen. Not every story has a happy ending, and that's one of my favourite things about HDM. It's real, and in real life you don't just get to walk off into the sunset and live happily ever after. So no, Lyra and Will should not be reunited.


A weakness on Pullmans part?

Surely it depends on how he done, if he done it.

It could show great strength in his literature.

The nature of them meeting would have to be well thought out as to save the story, but i think it would be good for them to get back together, that is why i voted YES.
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby themanontherun » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:51 pm

If Will is supposed to be from our world, I'd like to see a fan-fic of him meeting Pullman and having a "little chat" with him about what he'll be writing in his next books.
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby Philharmonic » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:56 pm

Yes, I think they should. Simply because of the unfairness of it all. Maybe not forever, but for a brief period perhaps. Or maybe Will gets the knife fixed again-but in a proper blacksmith this time and then cuts through on Midsummers Day-but not at the Botanic Garden, then meets Lyra at noon...OK, so this probably won't happen but I live in hope. I think Pullman should at least feature Will in one of the stories in TBOD.
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby Philharmonic » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:39 am

I think there was a loophole they could have used. And it's not the one where one of them lives without their dæmon. clear that up cos that would not work.

Will could have made a window into Lyra's world, kill the Spectre that comes out straight off, then keeps the window as small as he can. That keeps Dust loss down to a minimum, but prevents Spectres being born. Then, whenever he needs to go through, widen it out temporarily, then when he's through, close it up to a smaller size again. One advantage of this is because of size, people wouldn't see it unless they looked really closely or knew it was there.

I know this probably wouldn't work and somebody's going to come up with a counter-solution, but it's just a thought.

SoulLily wrote:Aside from dying, there's no way I can see them plausibly meeting again anyway. And the whole end of TAS would be so much less touching if they just got together again!


Well, what if PP makes it so they don't recognise each other until near when they have to part again? Would that satisfy you? Huh? That sad enough for your liking?

But you are right. I guess if they do meet again and know who the other is, it would sort of wreck the ending of TAS. So there's an idea. Unless the way they do it is some sort of rift opening up that just so happens to be on Mid-summers day and just so happens to be opened by a Lord Asriel wannabe (see NL/TGC) and just so happens to be opened between 12pm and 1pm and just so happens to open halfway down a bench that is in the Oxford Botanic Garden and also happens to open from Lyra's to Will's world.


That really wouldn't work would it?
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby Acchon » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:21 pm

They will meet again, if not in life, then in death.

because if they don't, I get EXTREMLY SAD!

Perhaps they can meet each other through the way Wills father used too see things in other worlds? Or am I just desperate?
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby MojaveByrd » Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:58 am

Mary needs to build another computer to communicate with Dust/Angels. Will and Lyra did the "right" thing - at least the unselfish thing in sacrificing their love. The angels should appreciate this and be willing to take messages back and forth between Lyra and Will since the Angels said they have ways of traveling among the worlds.
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby reeka » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:22 am

If Lord Asriel could figure out a way to get into another world, why couldnt someone else? Lyra and Will oould definately meet again. They were destined to meet and fall in love, whats to say their destiny ends there? And besides, didnt Will watch Iorek repair the knife? So wouldnt he have the idea of how to do it himself?
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby Acchon » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:38 am

Yes... but they were probably destinyed to stay and create there own republic of heavens. :(

At least they will be together after thier deaths.... perhaps that is even better then beeing together in life?
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby Acchon » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:42 pm

Today, while going home with a bus, I looked tired out the window. And there, in a park, on a bench, I was a young girl and a boy, appareantly in love, and they looked exactly like I imagined Will and Lyra. They where dressed in white, both of them, and they looked extremly happy. I nearly stopped the bus. The picture of them sitting there was like in a dream, it looked to perfect to be real.
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby MojaveByrd » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:01 am

Even though Lyra and Will can never physically meet again until they die, the angels should relay messages between them. It's easy for the angels to do and seems to me to be the fair thing to do.
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby Acchon » Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:33 pm

Yes, and I am sure that after their deaths they will be together.
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby MojaveByrd » Thu May 01, 2008 5:50 am

But I still wonder why Pullman didn't have them make plans to meet in the underworld. Surely he must have thought of it.
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby Acchon » Thu May 01, 2008 1:33 pm

I guess he wanted them to be apart... dramatic ending.
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Re: Will and Lyra... meet again?

Postby tyche » Thu May 01, 2008 5:28 pm

Meeting in the underword would be too hard to organise. Neither of them knows when the other will die. Plus there would be millions of ghosts travelling through it constantly they could miss each other and end up waiting in the world of the dead forever.
They will meet again when their atoms join after they die but until then they have to be apart, building the republic of heaven where they are and all that jazz.
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