Philharmonic wrote:i think abortion is getting too common-i mean, fair enough if it would put the mothers or its own life at risk but some people are getting them just cos they dont want a baby. they clearly never heard of human rights-the baby is human, right?
a) if a woman doesn't want to have a baby she shouldn't have to carry it for 9 months.
b) fetuses don't have legal rights in most countries.
also, your point is tangential and not pertinent to the debate on whether it is selfish to have more than twoish children as no one is advocating this degree of state intervention (such as sterilization) in reproductive rights.
DarkChylde wrote:I can see where you can mandate sterilization UP TO A POINT in order to recieve state aid, in fact that has been suggested before, but usually shot down. I think there should be that made for state paid abortions as well, for those who seem to use it as a state-paid-for birth control. But that is only when you have passed a certain number, as the entire populace need not be punished for the indiescretions of the few.
i think could be very valid... especially in the context of the united state where some states severely limit sex ed to the point where youth are not aware of better methods of birth control and thus have decreased access to it. i believe the states that have abstinence-only sex ed have higher abortion rates. i think learning about birth control (as a method family planning as well as in the context of safe sex issues) is incredibly important...
Bellerophon wrote:Note that Ms. Suleman was on welfare before her latest brood.
indeed. her mother has also expressed in the press that she makes no contributions to housing or food, and her retired father has also had to return to work to support his daughter and grandchildren. i can't see how that could not be understood as selfish, not only to burden the state but also your parents? also, i wonder who paid for the IVF. also big issues in ms. suleyman's case is that the doctor who performed the ivf procedures could have considered the situation of the mother and potential children before he proceeded with fertilisation. in another case, he implanted seven embryos in a women who expressed the desire to have one child only. he is now being investigated by the medical board of california for potential violation of standards of care.
from this case and onto selfishness... does that make having children a luxury more a fact of life?